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May 30, 2024 · 1h 15m 16s

With new evidence potential placing Israel Keyes in Upstate New York in the days following Maura Murray's disappearance, we re-evaluate his February 2004 trip to Utah, and some of the...

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With new evidence potential placing Israel Keyes in Upstate New York in the days following Maura Murray's disappearance, we re-evaluate his February 2004 trip to Utah, and some of the glaring flaws in the FBI's timeline. And Josh updates Julie Murray on his investigation into Keyes's February 2004 timeline and her experience with True Crime.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
With additional research by: Kim K and Michelle Tooker.
And research assistance by Jordan Taylor and Shana Wilensky.

This episode featured Julie Murray. 

Resources included: 
•  https://www.weather.gov/•  https://www.the107degree.com/records
•  Media Pressure
•  mauramurraymissing.org

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Music by: William Hellfire, Radical Face, Itai Argaman, Yehezkal Rez, Spearfisher, Streams, Kyle Preston, and Amulets.
Featured music by: The New Radicals

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Patreon producers: Amelia Hancock, Amy Basil, Annemarie Cash, Annette L, Asch Fish, Becky C, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Casey Jensen-Richardson, Drew Vipond, Heather Horton-Whedon, Jillian Natale, Jordan Goodnight, Kathleen Studer, Kendall C, Kharisma Rodriguez, Kimberly K, Lana Halladay, Lauren F, Lynnlie Tuschoff, Manolis Boukolus, Nicole and Dennis Henry, Nicole Guzman, Sarah King, SC, Shelly Brewer, Sherri D, Trista, Tuesdi Woodworth, Vicki Russell, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Beth McNally, John Comrie, Jordan M, Jordan Taylor, Sara Cee, Shawna Hardin, Spooky Express, and Lydia Fiedler.
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Linda CatFriend

Linda CatFriend

1 day ago

I’m so sorry to hear about Beatrice. She is so lucky to have devoted parents like you. I totally agree with and support your choice to prioritize her care right now. Thank you for caring for her, I’m thinking of Beatrice and you and sending good karma🐈❤️🐈‍⬛🙏🏼
Janelle Mascagni

Janelle Mascagni

2 weeks ago

After listening to the most recent episode featuring the sister of Mora Murray, I was wondering if it’s possible that keys sent the email and had her under Dress. It doesn’t seem far-fetched to me that he would do that. Also, the thing about the cans I could see him because he was poor, and probably really frugal seeing she had cans and making her do that. Also, he liked to drink some have said he’s an alcoholic and that’s a lot of alcohol for one person. Also, there was a witness that said she was talking to somebody or there was somebody down there smoking a cigarette he smoked cigarettes
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