After a bit of a wait, finally this is the Adam Hochschild episode. Adam teaches journalism at Berkeley, which we talk a bit about as well as some of his other books.

The focus though was King Leopold's Ghost, published in 1998, which is about Belgian's use of slavery for their rubber and ivory trade in the Congo in the 19th and 20th centuries.

We focused on how he researched the book, including his finding of long-forgotten books in libraries.

We talked a bit about Russia, so worth noting that the conversation took place a year ago, before the invasion of Ukraine.

You can buy Adam's books here: https://uk.bookshop.org/contributors/adam-hochschild

The book he recommended was Michael Kazin's War Against War: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/War-Against-War/Michael-Kazin/9781476705910

Finally, here is a link to my books: https://uk.bookshop.org/contributors/andrew-hankinson

Thanks for listening.