The contemporary social planner seems to favor all sorts of peoples' movements—except for the kind that involves automobiles, driven by citizens away from dense urban cores into the suburbs that they can afford. Today, Joel Kotkin (author of The Human City and The Coming of Neo-Feudalism) joins the podcast to discuss the new class of urbanists who brim with ideas for a city that won't work for the people meant to occupy them.

Plus, Steve, James and Charlie quibble over Tuesday's debate, and they reflect on another 9/11 anniversary. 



- Soundclip from this week's open: Donald Trump and David Muir from ABC's Trump/Harris debate.