Kathy Sierra is the name behind the fabulous @intrinzen Twitter account and the @Pantherflows Instagram account. Kathy has an amazing backstory including time as an exercise physiologist and owner of one of the biggest gyms in California to a career in video game design.

More recently she spends her time using ecological principles to develop the movement capabilities of horses. As her website puts it...

"We use the principles of exercise physiology, motivation science, and neuroscience in a specific, unique way to develop a horse that is intrinsically motivated to “dance” in true self-carriage. Not for us, but for himself. And all of the wonderful experiences we have the horse — from ground work to riding — are the beautiful, organic side-effect of helping the horse develop autonomy, mastery, and purpose through powerful postures and movements".

It is absolutely astounding...as is this conversation....it really doesn't matter if you are into horses or not...trust me...you will not want to miss this conversation...