Matt Chandler joins the conversation today and opens up about hitting the wall in his late thirties. He discusses recovering from a dead heart and from brain cancer, lessons he learned from his leave of absence after an Instagram exchange, and gives some incredibly insightful lessons on how to revitalize a dying church. Show Notes The Art of Leadership Live On The Rise Newsletter Preaching Cheat Sheet Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork   This episode is sponsored by: THE ART OF LEADERSHIP LIVE I recently took a look at the list of leaders who are registered for my first ever conference this September in Dallas, Texas - The Art of Leadership Live and let me tell you, it's shaping up to be quite a stellar group of people. I'm already excited to connect with a number of people I've met before — some of whom have even been guests on this podcast You can learn more by visiting theartofleadershiplive.com   BELAY Strike the work-life balance you deserve. Text CAREY to 55123 to receive a free download of Belay's eBook, Rise Up & Lead Well. Or visit belaysolutions.com/cnlp   TIMESTAMPS: Impact of childhood experiences on extroversion (00:07:05) Realization of calling to ministry (00:09:01) Struggles and self-awareness in late 30s (00:15:36) The impact of childhood on identity (00:19:26) Communication style and personal experiences (00:22:50) Revitalization of Village Church (00:29:01) Challenges and changes in leadership (00:31:06) Challenges of church growth (00:36:26) Lessons from mistakes (00:43:08) Facing personal crisis (00:47:18) Empathy for those in distress (00:56:57) Lessons from a ministry interruption (00:59:30) Power imbalance and influence (01:08:37) Enduring marriage and leadership (01:11:42) Living out the Gospel in daily life (01:17:43) The Overcomers Podcast and Book (01:20:52)   Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network