Eco garden by washburn and I've had the opportunity to go through and look at your website and your Facebook stuff and I think it's really cool that you have the software you have the ability to help somebody actually plan their yard using 3-D landscape design.

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That is so cool and to tell you the truth it is kind of like playing a video game because you can sit there and pick different plants and my client sits right next to me and says you know what maybe I would like something else maybe something more of a purple foliage. So we picked something out and we delete the one plant we put the new plants in. And what's also neat is that you can see each plant as the seasons change to. So like if we put a crab apple in the front yard or something you'd be able to see the beautiful magenta or white flowers in the spring. And then you turn it to fall. And there's not really that big a fall color on a crab apple but switch that around with a sugar maple. Holy buckets is that ever different. One of the coolest parts is that I can actually make the client a movie. So make them a movie in this movie. There are birds and butterflies and you see the wind blowing the grasses. When I design landscapes that have patios with fireplaces or outdoor kitchens you can see the flames of the fire pit illuminated. There's outdoor lighting that lights up music too so you can you can have a little jazzy tune or you can have crickets chirping in the background also designed some landscapes that have ponds in them so there's a little goldfish that are swimming around and this is this is like a video game. And you push the spacebar and it throws fish food and then the fish come up to the surface. Really I can hook this up to a

big screen TV or just glance at it on the computer. I always finish a flash drive so that the client can do this or that.

No you'd mentioned a couple of different things like backyard patios and decks and fish and ponds and things like that is that all stuff that eco gardens does.

I do small paper patios I do very small retaining wall feet walls nothing taller than three feet high and usually not more than 100 feet long. Now the ponds do not do so I leave that up to the professionals when it comes to the other gardens we've talked about.

We've talked about planting gardens and stuff but I know in the past we've had conversation about different types of gardens like pollinator gardens and rain gardens and rock gardens. Is there anything special you need to do to those types of gardens as we turn to the next season leaving your plants and to the spring to benefit the pollinators.

You could give it a really good reading if you know like a rock garden. What I'm kind of thinking is it's hard to leave if you have a lot of leaves that fall onto your garden and then sit and decompose there. What I mean that's turning into organic matter and with organic matter we get growth. So it's a weed seed goes into the organic matter in between a rock that more than likely lead to plants that you don't want there otherwise known as a weed. If you can blow those leaves out or pick them out. But that would be the best thing you can do going into winter for a bit like a rock garden. But your other garden I would invite the leaves fall in their.