Directly from his home on the West Coast of the USA James Bach, the original self-proclaimed Buchaneer-Scholar himself joins us for "test" of his thinking about the recent STPCON keynote on the schools of software testing and how he might juxtapose his own opinion on ISTQB with a contemporary understanding of systems thinking. We chat about great books and movies to help learn about systems thinking, we talk about chickens who created gravity and how to add some windows and doors to the "silos" in your organization. Be sure to check more about James' teachings around the world on his website www.satisfice.com.