March 30, 2024, Veronica Butler and her friend Julian Kelly were traveling from Kansas to Oklahoma to pick up Veronica's children for a birthday party when they disappeared. Their abandoned car was found 3 miles from the intended meeting spot, on a desolate dirt road a thousand feet off the main highway. Guest Bio and Links: Laura Ingle is an award-winning veteran broadcast journalist specializing in True Crime. She served as a Senior Correspondent with Fox News Channel for nearly 20 years from August 2005-June 2023 based in New York City. Laura has been covering the disappearance of Veronica Butler and Jillian Kelly. She has been on the ground in Oklahoma, providing firsthand updates and analysis. Listeners can learn more about Laura on X @lauraingle and IG @lauraingletv In this episode of Zone 7, Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum is joined by Laura Ingle to discuss the harsh possibilities surrounding the disappearance of Veronica Butler and Julian Kelly. With expert boots-on-the-ground insights, Laura unfolds the layers of a potential crime scene, weighs in on the contentious custody battle, and gives theories around the unanswered questions surrounding the case. Show Notes:

• [0:00] Welcome back to Zone 7 with Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum  
• [1:00] Today’s guest is Laura Ingle   
• [1:30] Laura describes the scene and location Veronica and Julian went missing 
• [7:00] Suspect pool theories
• [10:00] Potential weapons used 
• [12:15] The meeting spot analysis
• [14:00] Custody visitations and motives 
• [18:00] The location of where Veronica lives
• [23:00] The lack of information being released by authorities
• [30:30] “Narcissists don't co parent. They counter parent. They don't care about the collateral damage done to the children, as long as it hurts you.”
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--- Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. Sheryl is also the founder and director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, a collaboration between universities and colleges that brings researchers, practitioners, students and the criminal justice community together to advance techniques in solving cold cases and assist families and law enforcement with solvability factors for unsolved homicides, missing persons, and kidnapping cases.   Social Links:

• Email: coldcase2004@gmail.com
• Twitter: @ColdCaseTips
• Facebook: @sheryl.mccollum

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