North Bay Councilor Gary Gardiner joins the Echo Essentials podcast to discuss the latest Town Hall controversy, what changed his mind about the twin pad arena project and what he thinks about running for mayor again. He also described his strategy to get things done at council and how elected officials have to adopt a patient attitude and work with staff.

Co-hosts Scott Clark and Dave Dale start the episode talking about garbage pick up schedules, the city's website and inability to book arenas and fields online.